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	<title>Comments on: Here to Stay, 14,000 Strong, and Armed With Non-Lethal Weapons &#8211; America, Meet Your New Local Military</title>
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		<title>By: to scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>to scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey scott buddie how r ya well first off im a veteran and i cant fly why cause of my special training in the mil im on the no fly list i never been in trouble and have a spotless record too boot. and so u know mr military man i dont give 2 hoots if anyone thinks trining troops to handle us citizens with any weapons is a good thing so whit that said i need to say what about sec 5210 in the health care bill called the commisioned corps huh smart guy civilianized military unit with the same funding as the national guard and res hmmm how about the nazi ss troups ring any bells for u smart guy dont believe me look it up and look on youtube for obama talks about a privat army he said it no vid tricks or out of contex there buddie it was before he was pres no smart guy fight that one if u can</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey scott buddie how r ya well first off im a veteran and i cant fly why cause of my special training in the mil im on the no fly list i never been in trouble and have a spotless record too boot. and so u know mr military man i dont give 2 hoots if anyone thinks trining troops to handle us citizens with any weapons is a good thing so whit that said i need to say what about sec 5210 in the health care bill called the commisioned corps huh smart guy civilianized military unit with the same funding as the national guard and res hmmm how about the nazi ss troups ring any bells for u smart guy dont believe me look it up and look on youtube for obama talks about a privat army he said it no vid tricks or out of contex there buddie it was before he was pres no smart guy fight that one if u can</p>
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		<title>By: weeds season 5</title>
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		<dc:creator>weeds season 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow some of the comments here are just rude, thanks for the post!</description>
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		<title>By: bathroom suites</title>
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		<dc:creator>bathroom suites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food for thought.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have too much time on your hands.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the military, so you know my general stand.  I don&#039;t mean to get caught up with you folks, but this is just too much fun to read and ignore.  Let us first clear up the difference between &quot;stationed in&quot; and &quot;deployed&quot;.  In case you weren&#039;t aware, there are hundreds of military installations across the US in which Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are &quot;stationed in&quot;.  They live in your communities, train and support the bases and participate in the economy.  &quot;Deployed&quot; is when they are gathered together to temporarily go to a location outside their fence to perform a duty, like participate in Iraq/Afghan operations.  

Why is it a bad thing to have non-lethal weapons?  When the protestors are burning and looting, do you think they should just be killed in the street with lethal weapons?  Too many innocent Iraqis/Afghans die because soldiers don&#039;t have a way to eliminate a potential threat without shooting a bullet.  With less-than-lethal weapons, they can stop a potential threat to give them time to discover if that approaching van is a suicide bomber or a family on the way to the market.

The author wrote, &quot;Can anyone recall a governor suddenly becoming a prominent public figure for no apparent reason?&quot;  I thought the reason was that...THEY&#039;RE A GOVERNOR!  The author tries to imply a conspiracy with Palin and the Alaskan military exercise and a possible Republican presidency using this force to impose their will on the people.  As Jim explains, and the author quoted, the governor requests assistance from the Federal Government.  Governors do this all the time when they want money or FEMA or whatever, right?  IF things get way out of control so that the state doesn&#039;t have enough people to manage the emergency, a Governor might need the services this organization can provide.

I just left an assignment in Alaska.  Northern Edge is the title of a military exercise we&#039;ve been having in Alaska since 1993.  Other major named exercises go back to 1975 from what I could find.  These are war fighting exercises designed to prepare all our military forces to deal with various military combat scenarios throughout the world.  The Governor has limited impact in this short of the participation of Alaskan National Guard units.

Jim really seems to know what he is talking about.  He is dealing with the facts as I understand them.

Michael makes a great point on the training issue.  But, as Jim points out, the whole point of the new task is to train and prepare this unit.

Provided &quot;agoodhope&quot; understands that American military forces live and work throughout the US, I agree that a &quot;deployment&quot; of this unit to support an emergency is a cause for concern.  It means something terrible has happened that civilian authorities can&#039;t handle.  That probably means many people have died and worse could be on the way.  This military unit certainly does need oversight, as every unit does.  Violations of military law does occur and that is why we have a military criminal and prison system.

J is correct (sort of) in pointing out the availability of the National Guard to be the first to be called up to support state issues.  But, if they get overwhelmed, this unit is another source of support.

Lostuir makes a fun and scary prediction of the future.  However, this unit alone can&#039;t pull that level of control off. 

KC seems righteous and angry.  Good for you for standing up!  I wish I could assure you that the military will not take over the country, just so you will feel less threatened by us.  But, I don&#039;t think there is anything I could offer to change your opinion.  I can assure you, I keep waiting to get that indoctrination into the secret circle when someone tells me how we are going to do it.  Instead, I keep getting forced to hear boring briefings about ethics, safety, leadership, process improvement, cost savings and stuff like that.

Austin, having a hobby is a good thing.  Many of us like sports or crafts.  Some are into hunting, gardening or cars.  Believing in conspiracy theories can be a fun hobby.  But, don&#039;t let it take up too much of your time.  Go for a walk.  Spend some time with your family.  Maybe our goverment is as evil as you describe.  But I didn&#039;t see anyone at the crowded mall or crowded restaurant yesterday complaining about anything.  Life seems pretty good being a sheep.

Finally, I&#039;m willing to accept that some conspiracy things might be true.  But, I&#039;m going to need a lot more than this article to help me get there.  Don&#039;t just string a bunch of uninformed topics together to predict a future.  Hey, maybe your hated President Bush will find a way to declare martial law just before President-elect Obama takes office.  Maybe then some chip in my head will turn me into that brainwashed zombie stormtrooper to march through the streets and kick in doors.  Tell you what, you should probably hide quietly in your basement on 19 Jan.  Don&#039;t come out until it&#039;s over.  And practice walking like a zombie.  It will help you sneak into the nerve center to shut us all down.  Wait, didn&#039;t I already see that movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the military, so you know my general stand.  I don&#8217;t mean to get caught up with you folks, but this is just too much fun to read and ignore.  Let us first clear up the difference between &#8220;stationed in&#8221; and &#8220;deployed&#8221;.  In case you weren&#8217;t aware, there are hundreds of military installations across the US in which Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are &#8220;stationed in&#8221;.  They live in your communities, train and support the bases and participate in the economy.  &#8220;Deployed&#8221; is when they are gathered together to temporarily go to a location outside their fence to perform a duty, like participate in Iraq/Afghan operations.  </p>
<p>Why is it a bad thing to have non-lethal weapons?  When the protestors are burning and looting, do you think they should just be killed in the street with lethal weapons?  Too many innocent Iraqis/Afghans die because soldiers don&#8217;t have a way to eliminate a potential threat without shooting a bullet.  With less-than-lethal weapons, they can stop a potential threat to give them time to discover if that approaching van is a suicide bomber or a family on the way to the market.</p>
<p>The author wrote, &#8220;Can anyone recall a governor suddenly becoming a prominent public figure for no apparent reason?&#8221;  I thought the reason was that&#8230;THEY&#8217;RE A GOVERNOR!  The author tries to imply a conspiracy with Palin and the Alaskan military exercise and a possible Republican presidency using this force to impose their will on the people.  As Jim explains, and the author quoted, the governor requests assistance from the Federal Government.  Governors do this all the time when they want money or FEMA or whatever, right?  IF things get way out of control so that the state doesn&#8217;t have enough people to manage the emergency, a Governor might need the services this organization can provide.</p>
<p>I just left an assignment in Alaska.  Northern Edge is the title of a military exercise we&#8217;ve been having in Alaska since 1993.  Other major named exercises go back to 1975 from what I could find.  These are war fighting exercises designed to prepare all our military forces to deal with various military combat scenarios throughout the world.  The Governor has limited impact in this short of the participation of Alaskan National Guard units.</p>
<p>Jim really seems to know what he is talking about.  He is dealing with the facts as I understand them.</p>
<p>Michael makes a great point on the training issue.  But, as Jim points out, the whole point of the new task is to train and prepare this unit.</p>
<p>Provided &#8220;agoodhope&#8221; understands that American military forces live and work throughout the US, I agree that a &#8220;deployment&#8221; of this unit to support an emergency is a cause for concern.  It means something terrible has happened that civilian authorities can&#8217;t handle.  That probably means many people have died and worse could be on the way.  This military unit certainly does need oversight, as every unit does.  Violations of military law does occur and that is why we have a military criminal and prison system.</p>
<p>J is correct (sort of) in pointing out the availability of the National Guard to be the first to be called up to support state issues.  But, if they get overwhelmed, this unit is another source of support.</p>
<p>Lostuir makes a fun and scary prediction of the future.  However, this unit alone can&#8217;t pull that level of control off. </p>
<p>KC seems righteous and angry.  Good for you for standing up!  I wish I could assure you that the military will not take over the country, just so you will feel less threatened by us.  But, I don&#8217;t think there is anything I could offer to change your opinion.  I can assure you, I keep waiting to get that indoctrination into the secret circle when someone tells me how we are going to do it.  Instead, I keep getting forced to hear boring briefings about ethics, safety, leadership, process improvement, cost savings and stuff like that.</p>
<p>Austin, having a hobby is a good thing.  Many of us like sports or crafts.  Some are into hunting, gardening or cars.  Believing in conspiracy theories can be a fun hobby.  But, don&#8217;t let it take up too much of your time.  Go for a walk.  Spend some time with your family.  Maybe our goverment is as evil as you describe.  But I didn&#8217;t see anyone at the crowded mall or crowded restaurant yesterday complaining about anything.  Life seems pretty good being a sheep.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m willing to accept that some conspiracy things might be true.  But, I&#8217;m going to need a lot more than this article to help me get there.  Don&#8217;t just string a bunch of uninformed topics together to predict a future.  Hey, maybe your hated President Bush will find a way to declare martial law just before President-elect Obama takes office.  Maybe then some chip in my head will turn me into that brainwashed zombie stormtrooper to march through the streets and kick in doors.  Tell you what, you should probably hide quietly in your basement on 19 Jan.  Don&#8217;t come out until it&#8217;s over.  And practice walking like a zombie.  It will help you sneak into the nerve center to shut us all down.  Wait, didn&#8217;t I already see that movie?</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KC is right. Jim you are just another brainwashed zombie that will end up in camps made by your precious government. The same people that planned 9/11, the same people (CIA) that have been running the drug trade in America, the same people that BY FACTS ALONE have admitted to starting a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT..,? Ring a bell ( the bible ). Sorry to reference that but it sounds like something Jim can relate to. WHY WOULD FEMA ORDER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF COFFINS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE BURNT? I am sorry but there is no need to order those coffins as a precaution. Unless.....they are planning on killing all the true patriots. I guess only time will tell....but JIM know that i wont hesitate to take you out if you stand in my way. MAY THE CONSTITUION LIVE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KC is right. Jim you are just another brainwashed zombie that will end up in camps made by your precious government. The same people that planned 9/11, the same people (CIA) that have been running the drug trade in America, the same people that BY FACTS ALONE have admitted to starting a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT..,? Ring a bell ( the bible ). Sorry to reference that but it sounds like something Jim can relate to. WHY WOULD FEMA ORDER HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF COFFINS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE BURNT? I am sorry but there is no need to order those coffins as a precaution. Unless&#8230;..they are planning on killing all the true patriots. I guess only time will tell&#8230;.but JIM know that i wont hesitate to take you out if you stand in my way. MAY THE CONSTITUION LIVE!</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
I am so sick of hearing yahoos like you accuse people of &quot;hating our military.&quot; Maybe we should hate some military people like you who would probably round up your own neighbors and say you were &quot;just following orders.&quot; A REAL American has to have loyalty to the constitution. It&#039;s time we stopped worshiping the military and &quot;the troops&quot; and remember that THEY WORK FOR US. They are not above the constitution and we will not let anyone destroy our Democracy. Don&#039;t think for a minute we couldn&#039;t have a military take over in this country. The &quot;patriot&quot; act,  warrantless wiretaps, and the changing of posse commitatus to allow combat hardened troops, for the first time, to &quot;police&quot; U.S. citizens is closer than we have ever come to living in a dictatorship. If you are not afraid, you&#039;d better search your soul and ask how you could have strayed so far from the principles in our constitution. It was a good thing there were a buncha evil commie protestors who came out and ended this stupid war and wouldn&#039;t let all the wannabe fascists take all of our rights away. If you love your freedom, thank a protestor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
I am so sick of hearing yahoos like you accuse people of &#8220;hating our military.&#8221; Maybe we should hate some military people like you who would probably round up your own neighbors and say you were &#8220;just following orders.&#8221; A REAL American has to have loyalty to the constitution. It&#8217;s time we stopped worshiping the military and &#8220;the troops&#8221; and remember that THEY WORK FOR US. They are not above the constitution and we will not let anyone destroy our Democracy. Don&#8217;t think for a minute we couldn&#8217;t have a military take over in this country. The &#8220;patriot&#8221; act,  warrantless wiretaps, and the changing of posse commitatus to allow combat hardened troops, for the first time, to &#8220;police&#8221; U.S. citizens is closer than we have ever come to living in a dictatorship. If you are not afraid, you&#8217;d better search your soul and ask how you could have strayed so far from the principles in our constitution. It was a good thing there were a buncha evil commie protestors who came out and ended this stupid war and wouldn&#8217;t let all the wannabe fascists take all of our rights away. If you love your freedom, thank a protestor!</p>
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		<title>By: lostuir</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostuir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To have tens of thousands of combat hardened-troops with the latest weaponry on our streets- at this time- is a bad omen.  Not once has our gov told us the truth in the last 8 years- and they didnt start now.  

This is for advanced roundups and to kick our doors down in the middle of the night, like they&#039;ve been trained to do in Iraq.  The chickens are coming home to roost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have tens of thousands of combat hardened-troops with the latest weaponry on our streets- at this time- is a bad omen.  Not once has our gov told us the truth in the last 8 years- and they didnt start now.  </p>
<p>This is for advanced roundups and to kick our doors down in the middle of the night, like they&#8217;ve been trained to do in Iraq.  The chickens are coming home to roost.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.

We were supposed to have a National Guard made up of &quot;civilian soldiers&quot; for use in case of emergency.  Instead we now have the Cheney/Bush HOMELAND/FATHERLAND domestic doctrine which says they can institute martial law on a whim and will have combat hardened troops in place for this purpose.

Should you be nervous?  Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.</p>
<p>We were supposed to have a National Guard made up of &#8220;civilian soldiers&#8221; for use in case of emergency.  Instead we now have the Cheney/Bush HOMELAND/FATHERLAND domestic doctrine which says they can institute martial law on a whim and will have combat hardened troops in place for this purpose.</p>
<p>Should you be nervous?  Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: agoodhope</title>
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		<dc:creator>agoodhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any case, I don&#039;t like troops in our border- foreign or &#039;our own&#039;-  I think this is cause for alarm and careful oversight.  Thanks so much for this blog-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any case, I don&#8217;t like troops in our border- foreign or &#8216;our own&#8217;-  I think this is cause for alarm and careful oversight.  Thanks so much for this blog-</p>
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